Fitness Preacher

Why Am I Always In Last Place? [Podcast Episode #119]

There's a saying that goes like this: "Don't compare your weakness to other people's strengths."

How often do you do exactly that?

Comparison can lead you to greater heights. It can serve as the motivation you need to push a little harder and achieve a little more than you ever would on our own.

But, far too often, comparison has the exact opposite effect. When you see others succeed in ways that don't come easily to you, it can be tempting to throw in the towel altogether. Does this happen to you?

In this interview with The Fitness Preacher, we will explore practical strategies to avoid this destructive version of comparison, and instead focus on your amazing uniquenesses.

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​Why Am I Always In Last Place?
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Dave: Hey, thanks so much for joining me in this episode of the Make Your Body Work podcast. As you know, the show is all about helping you live a healthier and happier life. Today, we've got an awesome, awesome guest. He is just so exciting and so full of enthusiasm. I'm really excited for you to meet him in just a second here.

But first off, I want to take you through a question that I received recently. And I've got a huge list of questions waiting to be answered on the show, but when this one came in, I really wanted to share it right away. And so, here it goes.

This is what Rachel wrote in. She said, "Hi, Dave. Thanks to you and your guests for all the encouragement you share on your podcast. I'm trying to make changes one small step at a time, but it's challenging to stay motivated when I don't see results, and those around me do. I've been going to the gym with two friends, and both of them are seeing such progress, but I don't see any changes yet.

I feel like I've been cursed with bad genes. What do you when you feel as though you are in last place all the time?"

Rachel, thanks for writing in and just thanks for being honest in how you're feeling. I know it can be disheartening when we want to see changes, when it seems like others around us are changing, and again, it seems like we're not, but I do want to encourage you, you're going to hear my guest and I speak about this in just a second. Rachel, you are changing just by the fact that you're taking actions, just by the fact that you're going to the gym.

And I know that might not give you all the satisfaction that you want when you want to see physical changes, or scale changes, or changes in the way your clothes fit, those sorts of changes, but just by the nature of you taking action, you are already making positive changes, and those actions changes that you're taking will lead to results that you're looking for in the future. So I just want to start off by encouraging you, don't give up. This is a long-term game and I just am so proud of you for taking those small steps already.

I'm excited, like I mentioned, because my guest, like this is his wheelhouse. This is what he does best is talking about how can we examine our lives and see what it is that we're doing really, really well, and then what is it that we can do to even take those gifts that we have to the next level. And he's involved, he's an author, he owns a chain of fitness studios. He is a personal trainer, a figure competitor, and he has such great advice, and again, such enthusiasm that I know you're going to love. So I'm super excited for you to meet Nisan Trotter.

​Meet Nisan Trotter: The Fitness Preacher

Dave: Hey, Nisan, thanks so much for joining us today.

Nisan: Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited.

Dave: Yeah, I'm excited to have you here. So I want to start off by asking you about your personal title. So on your website, you're called The Fitness Preacher. Tell us about that. Why The Fitness Preacher?

Nisan: Oh, sure. That's a fun story to share. I was presenting on a stage at Fitness Business Summit, and the host of the conference, Bedros Keuilian, after hearing me present, he was like, "Man, you have so much passion," because I was really getting into it. And he then said, "You're some type of like fitness preacher. And I was like, "Oh, I did not want to be called that. I didn't want to hear that name."

He said, "You got me want to run through this wall right now." And you know the little cartoon impression cut out when you run through a wall, the imprint of the cartoon character is on the wall? He's like, "That's how you got me feeling. You're like a fitness preacher." And then the name just stuck and now is growing on me. I like being called that too.

Dave: But originally, you didn't like that. Why were you anti-fitness preacher?

Nisan: Well, I just think sometimes preaching has a negative connotation to it, and is more so my passion that bleeds through. I don't necessarily consider myself preachy, but the things that I believe in, I go for, and I'm open and transparent in sharing. And once I get into it, man, I go for it. And sometimes it may be a little bit much for people, and I absolutely love people. I don't intend on offending anyone, but that's sometimes the reason for my drawback. But now I embrace and I realize, you know, it's okay to have a sphere of influence and to have a message and a voice. And so I embrace it now. It's all good.

Dave: Well, I want you to preach, and if you offend anyone or turn anyone off, they can turn off this podcast, and they don't have to listen.

Nisan: You hear that, everyone, Dave gave me the green light.

Dave: Nisan, can you start off by telling us a little bit about your personal story. So I've read up about you, I know you do a lot of varied work. Can you tell, how did you get into health and fitness? How did that become your passion? How did you get to where you are today?

Nisan: Wow. Well, first off, my story is pretty unique in the sense that I'm a southern boy from a small little town called Silver Hill, Alabama, is sandwiched in between Mobile, Alabama and Pensacola, Florida. And my family of four grew up in the single bedroom in my grandmother's house. And my grandma actually had 10 kids.

Dave: Wow.

Nisan: And so it was jam packed tight. And I can even remember, literally, like hiding snacks from my uncles because they would always like go into our room and try to find the awesome snack my mom bought us. It wasn't the most ideal living situation, and we landed in that place because my mother and father, they separated. And actually at the time, around the mid 80s, they were like the talk of the town.

In fact, I don't believe anyone had seen a minority couple do it quite like them. They built a house from the ground up, a beautiful home. But then they separated and we actually ended up having to move into my grandmother's house across town, a new school, a new environment. And really, we went from the high to lows very quickly.

When I changed schools, I wasn't very popular to begin with, and I had this like raspy sounding voice. It was terrible. It was like my pre-puberty voice or something.

The kids at the concession stand during snack time, would be so good at ridiculing me and mocking me for the way I sounded. And it literally made me not want to speak at all. I wanted to actually crawl up in the fetal position and be like in a dark corner somewhere, versus just talking because they were so good at their imitations and I felt like the center of all jokes.

But my mom always believed in this special gift that I had to communicate, and she would literally pick the longest speeches she could find during the Easter programs for church, and she wouldn't only have me memorize the speech, she wouldn't only have me then speak it, but she made me act as if I was the next Dr. Martin Luther King delivering his people from freedom, literally.

She would be like, "You sound monotone, son. Speak up and give me gestures here and there." And lo and behold, it paid off for me because around the seventh grade, I remember to this day, my teacher, Miss Susan Melton, I'm hoping that she'll hear this podcast one day, she actually entered me into an oratorical speech competition. And at this time, I was trying to find myself. And during that time period, you're still somewhat believing the narrative that other people kind of make for you.

I thought that I wasn't going to be good, but I tried to level up and believe, and other people believed in me until [inaudible 00:08:04] kicked in. And I actually ended up winning like districts. I would go from classroom to classroom in my middle school, sharing my speech, never give up. I remember the title now.

I also remember quoting the great Winston Churchill who said, "Never give up. Never give up. Never give up." I would be pointing out to everybody and I like wow the audience, if you will. And so it kind of went from there to actually people mocking me for the way I sounded to being admired for how I sounded. And then I just began to continue to work on that gift of speaking and communicating.

And now it's very fun to be paid to speak and be a sought after motivational speaker if you will. So that's one of the lanes and I'm in. I know that's not necessarily the fitness lane, but there's various lanes, but one of them is motivational speaker.

Dave: Like a couple of neat thoughts, first off, it's funny that we started talking about how you were called the fitness preacher, and then your personal story began with you preaching at church.

Nisan: Yeah. [inaudible 00:09:06].

The Importance of Celebrating Your Successes and Rewarding Yourself

Dave: I like that story, how you spoke of your teacher and how your teacher had confidence in you, even when you didn't have confidence in yourself. And I just think that's such a neat transition because we're talking about, today, a question from Rachel and that is exactly in the position that she's in, she doesn't have confidence in herself and finds herself comparing herself to others and that lowering her confidence even still.

When you read Rachel's little, her question, her paragraph there, what kind of thoughts came into mind? Did that relate to your story? Is that something that you've heard from others that you work with?

Nisan: Absolutely. I mean, it's so easy to compare, because it's right in front of us, it's visible. And sometimes, the results that other people have earned, we're also in close proximity, which is okay. I think it's okay to actually rub elbows with those type of people and figure out what they're doing to try to mimic that type of success.

But also, comparison can be the death of us all. And in reading Rachel's story, I certainly admired a couple of things that she shared in talking about some of the steps to change that she made.

And sometimes whenever we're trying to transform and transition into a new person physically, mentally, even emotionally and spiritually, we got to first begin to celebrate that one step we made towards change.

It's so ironic that I'm talking about change right now actually, because we have a Word of the Week in our fitness program. We own a couple of fitness studios in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, and one in [inaudible 00:10:54], PA, and the Word of the Week is change. And that word is powerful.

The word means to turn, to pivot, to make a small adjustment. And in reading Rachel's story, the fact that she's getting rid of some old habits, because old habits die hard and change is difficult, I think the one thing that really she should start to do is more so celebrate how she's progressing, and let that take over her mind versus that comparison syndrome that we all fall privy to from time to time.

Dave: Mm-hmm. I completely agree. Now, I want to dive in a little bit deeper into that. A couple times you used the word, celebrate, celebrate steps, celebrate change. What does that practically look like and especially in this situation when someone is making changes towards health and fitness? What does celebrating that actually look like?

Nisan: Practically, I like to celebrate my successes by rewarding myself with something that I enjoy. That doesn't necessarily defeat the purpose, if you will, of where I'm trying to go. So sometimes we reward ourselves with what many in the industry consider a cheat meal.

I've been really on the straight and narrow with my nutrition. I've been only eating fruits, veggies, and lean meats. And now, I'm going to have my cheat meal. And then sometimes we overindulge on that. And it's completely okay to have those indulgences, don't get me wrong, but I just think the verbiage is wrong.

So if you're looking to celebrate success in terms of healthy eating habits, for instance, I like to call it a treat meal instead, like you're treating yourself, this is a reward of yours, but you're also focused on the fact that you have somewhere that you're trying to go, and then I'm going to go and make sure that I get back on that path, right? And I'm not also feeling bad about myself for doing it. That's why I don't like the verbiage "cheat meal", you know what I mean? I like the treat meal.

But then also there's other ways you can celebrate your successes whether is giving to a local charity of some sort, or even taking yourself out to a movie, and join some kind of friends over dinner. These are like the rewards that you're going to celebrate as you reach your goal.

Dave: I love that. You and I are very much on the same page. That idea of a cheat meal or a cheat day, I don't like that moniker either. In the programs that I use where we include some sort of strategy like that, we call it a free day or a free meal, that positive connotation-

Nisan: There you go.

Dave: ... that's focusing on a similar concept. I do think, and you sort of alluded to this, that eating healthy and then rewarding ourselves with eating food that maybe isn't as healthy, for some people, that's okay. But you mentioned that that can get sort of spiral out of control. And so I like the fact that you raised some other options. It doesn't always have to be food, but for some reason, as a society, we really like to reward ourselves with food.

Nisan: Right. Yeah, it's ingrained in our culture, but there's several other ways we can be happy and we can celebrate. And it's just really being creative to think of how you want to do that. Literally, it can be a shopping trip that you're going to go on with your friends to just enjoy quality time with them. Or taking your kids to a museum and enjoying the museum with your kids, and spending some good quality time, carving out that time as celebration to the fact that, "Wow, I'm on the path."

And by the way, that's a powerful example of who you probably want to do it for, especially if you have children. Other than yourself, in terms of being a big reason why you're trying to be healthy, trying to be stronger and fitter, I believe doing it for your family as well, and then celebrating with them makes sense to me.

Dave: I like that. And I'm imagining, Rachel, if you're listening, I'm imagining you, Rachel, picking it, whatever this treat or reward is going to be and making that concrete before you even begin. So say, a month from now, my goal is this. And if I reach it, I will do this, so then it's very distinct, very specific, this is what I get. I think that's super powerful.

Nisan, when you were reading Rachel's comment about comparing herself to her two friends. Can you talk a little bit about how comparison, or competition, or working with others, how that can be positive, how Rachel could use that as a positive thing as opposed to it being something that's pulling her back?

​The Positive Side Of Comparison

Nisan: Absolutely. I believe in collaboration over competition. And so, one of the things that she can do is certainly, if she hasn't yet, Rachel, if you're listening, pick the brains of your friends to see how have they earned their results. And one of the things that we also must consider is sometimes the results of others, we may not necessarily want to live that type of lifestyle, or make those type of sacrifices in order to be in their shoes.

It may mean something that were unwilling to give up or unwilling to do. I'll give you a perfect example. A couple years ago, I competed in my first physique competition. And I realized that, boy, after spending boatloads of time, and my body was already in shape.

I will have you know, Rachel and Dave, my body was already in decent shape, given the nature of what I do, but I dropped another 10% body fat. And the level of sacrifice that it took to do that was 88 workouts over an eight week period of time. That's 11 workouts per week. I was also working ... And so I was doing doubles, Monday through Friday, and then I also worked out on Saturday. And then over the course of the weekend, on Sunday, I arrested.

But that was so challenging to maintain that type of lifestyle. And in fact, I will have you know that I underestimated the amount of time it took to reach those results and underestimated the amount of hard work it took as well. And the level of sacrifice that I had to endure in order to stay in the industry and be able to be comparable to those that I was going to be competing with on stage, I just wasn't willing to do it at that point.

I mean, I have now two kids going on three, I have a couple of businesses, wrote a book, and these other things that are more important to me than the level of sacrifice that it would take to be another couple of percentage points down with my body fat percentage.

So all of that is to say and to suggest to Rachel to really to rub elbows with those and figure out what they're doing, and then if it meets your lifestyle and your standards, and you want to keep striving for it, go for it, think of a way to collaborate, or be happy with where you are while continuing to strive for progress and working with those that are your friends.

Dave: Nisan, I love that story about you getting ready to compete because that's a common story. I've had other fitness models or fitness competitors on the show and they say the same thing, that they bust their butt for competition day, and then as soon as that competition day is done, it's like, "Oh, my gosh, thank goodness. I can go back and be a normal person."

Nisan: Sure.

Dave: And they'll say that their body very quickly changes. But as spectators, we just see the stage, or see the cover of the magazine and think, "Wow, that person looks so good," but we don't realize all the hard work and sacrifice that goes into that.

Nisan: Absolutely. Also, Dave, we all transform differently. We've been working with a boatload of clients over, now going on seven years, And there are some clients who come through our studio and they're super excited about the weight that they've lost, but they haven't improved in their stamina. And there's some clients who are super excited about the stamina and endurance that they've gained over, let's say, a six-week period of time, while they haven't seen much progress on the scale yet.

So what I generally have is this equation that I've shared a number of times with our clients and with my sphere of influence. I came up with it because it certainly holds true in my life, that really you got to keep doing the right thing over and over again, plus extended time, equals quantum leap success.

That's the equation I come up with to really help me to stay at the course. And I hope that Rachel can find some value in that because it's so important to, in my estimation through my experiences, "play the long game".

Because you can get in a whole lot of trouble in comparing yourself and thinking of where other people are, and then working your butt off just for the short term, and then have that same type of story that a lot of physique competitors have, that once it's over with, oh, my gosh, you're going to go back [inaudible 00:19:53], and you feel like you're more sustainable, that's more sustainable.

Dave: Yeah. Can you say that equation one more time?

Nisan: Absolutely. Do the right thing over and over again, plus extended time, equals quantum leap success. I feel like your success literally can hockey stick at any moment in time, if you keep doing the right thing over and over again and allow an extended period of time to take its course.

Dave Ramsey, by the way, in his book, I believe it was called EntreLeadership that I read years ago, he also said that, in terms of us really seeing monumental change and success and being considered an expert, we sometimes don't have a problem concentrating, but we have an issue concentrating over an extended period of time.

So with whatever we're trying to focus on and do, if we not only focus on it and do it, but do it over an extended period of time that maybe even seems unreasonable, that's when we can have that quantum leap success.

Where is the Good In Yourself?

Dave: Oh, that is truth. I love what you just said there. That's so true. And Nisan, can you talk about how we can make a shift so that we recognize our own progress, and our own successes, and our own value, and our own gifts as opposed to just looking at the things that we're not satisfied with? Because when I hear Rachel's question, I'm just imagining her looking at her two friends, and her easily picking out the things that they're improving upon, but we all know that we're our own worst critic.

And so I can imagine her then looking in the mirror and saying, "Well, why don't I have that? Why don't I have that," where she does have positive changes, just like you talked about. Psychologically, what do you do with your clients? How do you help them realize the good in themselves as opposed to just the things that they're unhappy with?

Nisan: Absolutely. We try to condition them to get in the habit of celebrating every small victory. And if you don't condition your mind to thinking that way, you're so focused on the end result, or even so focused on others that you don't acknowledge your own changes you're making in yourself.

I even love the Precision Nutrition coaching and mastermind, John Berardi. In his program, he talks about really how ... It's basically like a 10-step program that he has his clients do. And the first thing, first, is focusing on one thing like, eat your fish oil vitamins, and taking your fish oil vitamins. And even though that may seem simple and elementary, I mean, what will fish oil vitamin going to do when I have 30, 40, 50 pounds to lose? What will fish oil vitamin going to do when I'm looking at my friends and they look great in their bikini?

Well, I'll tell you what it does, is if you can be successful with that one small thing, and then get in the habit of winning and celebrating yourself, then we can move to step two and progress a little bit further into whatever the program maybe.

So maybe the next thing would be trying to make sure you're drinking more water. And this is a perhaps a little bit more challenging if you don't like water for instance, but you've already set yourself up with a win and you're celebrating that small victory, and that's going to progress you on to something else. So we try to condition our clients to celebrate every small victory.

Literally, I had a client on yesterday who stopped me before going into the office, and she pulled up her before-after photo, and she didn't even realize her transformation. And let me tell you what her transformation consist of. She dropped probably now about, I think, five or six percent body fat, dropped about 30 pounds, and she didn't even realize how much of a difference she had made until she did her side by side photo comparison.

So she's obviously someone in our program who hasn't really been thinking of those small victories as much as she should, but I would encourage Rachel to take photo, to even get a fitness calendar and mark the days that you train. And if you're training two to three times per week at an intense level, that's a victory to celebrate.

I mean, if you're an awesome encouragement to someone else and they give you positive feedback on your journey, I mean, make those Hallmark moments in your mind, have a sticky mind so that they can keep the goal.

Dave: So many great things you just said there. I really like how you mentioned that there's so many different ways to measure our success. And so you talked first off about measuring success by actions that we've taken. You talked about fish oil supplements, or water or getting your exercise routine done.

Like all those things are things that Rachel and everyone listening, you control that, and you can choose to do that. Do we necessarily control the weight on the scale? No, but if we use Nisan's formula of doing things, the right things over an extended period of time, we are going to see that change eventually. And so just putting all that together is such a powerful concept there.

What do you do, Nisan, when you have a client who buys into this and says, "Okay, I'm going to celebrate the actions I'm taking," and so they start doing their exercise, they start eating better, and two weeks go by, and four weeks go by, and six weeks go by, and they don't see that number on the scale change?

Nisan: Sure.

Dave: And they get disappointed and say, "I'm doing all this, but I'm not seeing this." What do you tell them?

Are You Focused on the Destination Only, or the Journey?

Nisan: I can share with them through my own personal experiences, the frustration of that. I really relate to that with some of the things that I try to accomplish in my own personal life, in my own journey when it comes to the goals that I have, working so hard at it, [inaudible 00:25:47] at it and not feeling like I've made any progress. But then somebody perhaps, who isn't working as hard, isn't as dedicated, they seem to be farther along.

I had been in front of clients behind my desk who have shared they've been 50% compliant with the program and their success is through the roof. And then we have another client who's saying, "Nisan, I'm doing everything under the sun, 90% to 95% compliant with everything you've taught me and I've only got one pound. What gives?"

And so how I try to encourage that person is to fall in love with the journey of it. And that may sound very flowery, but it's true. I mean, if you can't get to a place of enjoying and loving the process, and these are process goals, the process of perhaps, meal prepping, the process of coming through these doors…

And even if you can think about one thing that you enjoy and belabor that, like really meditate on that and let that marinate in your mind so that you can somehow enjoy the journey of it, I think is so much more about the journey than it is the destination of this thing called life, and then even in our health and fitness journey, that that's where I believe we will need to coach Rachel or anyone else for that matter, who has those type of sentiment.

Dave: That is a great, great point. And it sort of goes back to what you were talking about earlier. If we were talking to someone who's put in the work and we heard what their journey actually was, we might say, "We don't want to do the things that they did." And that might be okay. We might choose a different journey and that journey will then come with it, different expectations.

Are Your Genes Responsible?

Nisan: Sure. Absolutely, absolutely. Like when I was reading through Rachel's question over and over again, I've heard this also as well and I hope I'm not jumping the gun with any other question that you might want to ask, Dave, but she mentioned bad genes and maybe it's just bad genes. And that is something that is very cliché, I believe, in our industry that clients fall privy to. The thought process behind that, to me, is really counterintuitive to what I try to embody, that is not necessarily about your genes, it's about your routines.

So I have to say, don't focus on your genes, focus on your routine. And so you have to think about what you're doing on a consistent basis. How can you fine tune things and tweak things here and there and make it a consistent part of your life, a sustainable part of your life? I would even ask that they not even approach something that seems like ... Have great expectations for yourself. But I think a part of the SMART goal, as you know, one of them is to be specific.

You also want to make sure that this is something that's attainable as well. And so, sometimes we got to manage our expectations a little bit better, and not even, again, focus on that gene, that gene pool because ... Here's a crazy and alarming stat for you, Dave:

According to FAI, that's the Functional Aging Institute, genes account for only 25% of our longevity. The aging process is only... the other 75% basically is up to us in terms of how we are to transform the things that we eat, going to your point, how we're in control.

And so I would encourage Rachel and anyone else to think about the things that you can control, and think about the things in terms of what you will do as a routine.

Dave: I love it. You have really great sayings. I like that. Don't focus on genes, focus on your routines, that's awesome! And again, it ties back in with your entire message, those routines. What are you going to do, like build into your routines that you actually enjoy, to make that process, that journey, enjoyable? Because if we're forcing ourselves to do things that we absolutely hate, geez, I know I don't have great willpower. It's not going to last very long.

Nisan: Yeah, sure.

Dave: Nisan, I want to talk to you about your book, because you have a book that you just wrote called Born Gifted, and it ties so well. I was excited when you and I got introduced because that whole idea of being born gifted ties into Rachel's question. Her last statement really tugged at my heartstrings. She says, "What do you do when you feel as though you're in last place all the time?" Can you talk about ... First off, what do you think about that statement, being in last place all the time? And then can you talk a little bit about Born Gifted and how it relates?

Born Gifted: You’re In the Category of One

Nisan: Yes. And when I think of that statement, last place, this immediately comes to mind and this is something that I did not have prior to our time, but I would encourage Rachel to think from this wise. There's no way for her to consider herself last place when according to everything that I've done to write this book called Born Gifted: How to Unwrap the Gift Inside You for Supernatural Success, there's nothing ... Let me retract my statement because I want to make sure I'm as clear as possible here.

There is no way that she can be considered last place when she's in a category of one, like there's no other Rachel that graces the face of the planet like this Rachel who we're talking about right now.

So she's in a category of one, there's no way that she can be in last place. She has a special gift in her, a special purpose in her, special talents. There's even a calling over her life that only she can fulfill.

I mean, she's outweighed the odds already just by being alive on the face of this planet. I mean, I think there's like 100 million sperms, and God decided to create her out of all of those, so she defied the odds already. And that's why I feel like there's no way she should ever, and I try not to ever, although it's easy to consider yourself last place.

Dave: I love that, the uniqueness of us all. It almost becomes cliché. We hear it all the time, oh we're unique individuals, we're special. But you're right, we really are. And again, it goes back to that idea of focusing on the good things in us as opposed to just looking at the good things in other and focusing on our own shortcomings, or perceived shortcomings, Can you, Nisan, tell us a little bit more about your book. I'm super interested.

Nisan: Sure.

Dave: I haven't had a chance to read it, but elaborate a little bit. Born Gifted, what is the message that you bring to us?

Nisan: Well, the mission of Born Gifted and the message really is, again, how to unwrap the gifts inside you for supernatural success. I've come to a place in my life, Dave, where I know my mission on this earth is either to help people believe that they're gifted, because there's three categories. It can only really be three.

There's either people who don't believe that they're gifted, there's people that have belief in terms of their gift, but they haven't discovered their gift. And then the third piece is, there's people who believe that they're gifted, they've discovered their gift, but they haven't taken their gift to superstar status.

So I, experientially, I have sort of went through my life's journey and also studied others in terms of what makes them great, and compiled some amazing content to help people believe that they're gifted, discover their gift, and then take it to the next level, top show.

Because I've always, Dave, had an awe and a respect, I've revered those who are just absolutely tops in their class at what they do. And as I was listening to your podcast and preparing by hearing some of your other interviews, I was like, "I see why Dave's great, he knows how to ask proper questions, he listens, and then if there's something that inspires him in his thought, he's not cookie-cutter in his format." And in my mind just does that with anybody who's great.

I had that like third, if you will, where I'll spectate, I'll notice something about them that makes them awesome. It almost makes me want to jot it down, write it down in. In essence, that's what I've done with this book.

Dave: Nisan, right now you got me pumped up. For myself and everyone who's listening, think about those three different categories.  I was thinking about them in terms of three questions. Do you believe that you're actually gifted? Do you know what your gifting is? And then what are you doing with that gifting? Would you say-

Nisan: Absolutely.

Dave: ... that's along the same lines?

Nisan: Exactly. Yeah, you nailed it.

Dave: Oh, I love that. And Rachel, going back to you, we can look at this from a fitness perspective or a bigger life perspective. But again, thinking about when we get dissatisfied with our current physical ... the way that our body looks, or the way that our body functions, do we recognize the gifting and the blessings that we do have in our body, even when our body isn't exactly what we want? And then, are we going to somehow use those to take them to the next level? What was the word you said? Not taking it to the next level.

Nisan: I said superstar status.

Dave: Superstar status.

Nisan: Absolutely.

Dave: I love that.

Nisan: Yeah. Because think about it though. Seriously, anyone who has a gift, I mean, you know that they shine bright, right? There's a little bit something different about somebody who has a gift. Like when they walk in the room, you may think it's their fancy clothes, you may think it's their nice shoes, but what makes people turn their head and look at a gift the person is actually what's shining bright in them. It's their special powers. And so that's why I say, we not only help you take your gift to where it is, to another level, we want to take it to a superstar status level.

Dave: I love that. Man, I do. You're a preacher. You are the fitness preacher.

Nisan: Do you see what I mean? Oh, I'm trying to hold back. I'm trying to hold back.

Make Your Body Work Takeaway

Dave: It's awesome. It is awesome. Nisan, we'd like to wrap up the show with what I call a Make Your Body Work takeaway. And so this is an action step. The purpose of this show, it's not to give listeners more information, not to provide just knowledge or more things to think about.

It's about helping people like Rachel take action. So imagine someone like Rachel, again, who's saying, "I'm not satisfied because I feel as though others are getting more progress than I am." What's one step that someone in that mind frame could take today that will help them down the right path?

Nisan: Well, you don't have to validate those feelings, and how you do that is by taking action on the one thing that's going to move the needle for you. And so what I would honestly encourage and coach a person who's filling that thing, that [inaudible 00:36:56], is going back to that one point that we mentioned from earlier.

What's the one thing that will get the ball rolling in the right direction for you so that you can get a win under your belt and keep repeating that over and over again until you progress?

Dave: I love it. Nisan, that's truth. Nisan, I know the listeners are going to be interested in finding out more about you, and then also about your book Born Gifted. Where can they connect with you? Where could they get access to a copy of that book?

Nisan: Sure. Well, I'm all over social media. In terms of the book itself, however, you can go to Alpha XR, you can also go to Barnes and Noble to get it, .com. You can also go to Audible, it's the audio version of the book as well. And you can even visit my website, that's Nisan with one "S", to find a clickable link that will directly take you to purchasing the book on Amazon. And then of course, in terms of social media, I'm on Facebook, again, that's Nisan, N-I-S-A-N, one "S". I'm also on IG, @nisanrpm, and I would love to connect with anyone over social media.

Dave: That's awesome. For the listeners, if you go to, in the show notes I'll put a link to Nisan's website, to his book page, and then also where you can connect with him on social media.

So you can check out all that there, that's Nisan, thanks again. Honestly, we joke about your preaching, but you brought a positive message and I know everyone's going to be super inspired listening to this. So thanks for taking the time of your day to be with us here today.

Nisan: Cool. Thank you, Dave, for having me. It was a whole lot of fun.

Dave: Nisan, thanks again for being on the show today, and again, just sharing your enthusiasm for preaching, and I mean that in a good way and giving us a little bit of motivation to examine our lives and examine those three questions again, do we believe that we're gifted? What are our gifts? And then how are we using those gifts? How are we taking those to that next superstar level?

So thanks for that motivation, thanks for that inspiration, and thanks to everyone who tuned in today. I want to turn those questions back to you and just ask those again. Do you believe that you're gifted? And if you can honestly say, "Yes, I believe that," have you discovered what your gifts are? And again, if you have discovered that, then the third question I have for you is, what are you doing to take those gifts to the next level and really using those to make a huge impact not only in your own life, but in the lives of those around you?

If you answered no to any of those, if you're not sure if you're gifted, or you're not sure what your gifts are, you're not sure how to take those to the next level, I encourage you to reach out to those around you, ask them, "What am I gifted in? What can you see me doing? What do you see me do well that is tough for other people, but it seems to come naturally for me?"

And if you're not sure how to take those gifts to the next level, same thing, ask those around you, or feel free to reach out to me. I love having these conversations and I love working with people who are action takers, who really want to take their life to the next level and enhance the lives of those around them. So like I said, you can reach out to me anytime, And that goes for those three questions that we just covered. Or if you have other health and fitness related questions that you'd like answered on this podcast, reach out. Again, I love connecting with you. I want to be part of your health and fitness journey, so anytime.

That's it for today's episode. But again, next week, I'm going to be back here. I've got another great question for us and another amazing guest who's going to inspire you and help you take those little steps that are going to get you the results that you want to see. So enjoy your week, and I'll see you here again next week.

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