Mimi Secor - too old to change?

Am I Too Old to Make These Changes? [Podcast Episode #117]

You can't teach an old dog new tricks?

Do you believe this? Are you feeling past your prime, with no hope of making any positive health changes? Have you resigned to simply "holding on" to whatever you have left?

Stop it!

Positive change, whether it be physical, mental or emotional is possible at any age. Don't believe me? Just listen to what today's guest has to share about her own life and body transformation at an age when most of her peers were calling it quits...

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​Am I Too Old to Make These Changes? [Full Text]

Eat More or Eat Less? Which is Better For Your Metabolism?
Should You Start Lifting Heavier Weights
Should I Cancel My Gym Membership?
Stress Isn't Going Anywhere - How Do I Deal With It?
Why Does My Stomach Get So Bloated During The Day?
How Can I Change My Genetics

Dave smith: Hey, thanks so much for joining me in this episode of the Make Your Body Work podcast. As you know, this show is all about helping you live a healthier and happier life. Today, we're talking about aging. This is actually a topic that's come up a fair bit recently, talking about shifts we see in our body as we get older and what could we do about it. And this conversation, it was continued by Beatrice.

Here's what she wrote, she said, "Hi Dave, I followed you and your show for the last couple of years and it's really been helpful. I know I'm healthier than I have been in years but my weight still isn't budging. At 58 years old I know it's not gonna be as easy as it once was, but I don't like the idea of just giving up either. Any words of wisdom or hope for an old gal who just wants to see some little changes?"

And Beatrice, first off, you are not an old gal. As we're gonna talk about in this episode, 58 is the new midlife. You've got lots of life ahead of you and I'm excited to have my guest who ... she's gonna share some really important things that she's learned as she aged.

And I think Beatrice, in particular, this is gonna super inspiring, super motivation for you because it's gonna give you a glimpse as to what can happen when you open your mind to doing this a little differently and pursuing some goals that maybe feel a little bit out of reach, but you break it down and do it step by step. So, I'm super excited to introduce to you doctor Mimi ​Secor. Hey Mimi thanks so much for joining us on the show today.

Meet Dr. Mimi Secor

Mimi: Thanks Dave. I'm thrilled to be here.

Dave smith: Well, likewise. I have done my research, I've done my homework, I've learned lots about you over the last couple of weeks since we started chatting and-

Mimi: Oh.

Dave smith: All good. I only found good stuff. I was wondering if you could start off by telling us a little bit about your personal story, telling the listeners who you are and what you do in the health and fitness world.

Mimi: Absolutely. So, Dave, I'm much older than you, I'm 64 years old. I've been a nurse practitioner for 42 years. I became a nurse practitioner at age 22, didn't even know what it was. And so, that has launched me into an incredible career.

And early on in my career, clinically practicing, I also became involved in a lot of community educational initiatives. So, I have nearly the same amount of experience in public speaking and media work. So, I found myself at age 59 deciding to go back to earn my doctoral degree. Who does that? All my friends are getting ready for retirement.

But no, my curiosity nearly killed me. I had to know what was involved in this doctoral program for nurse practitioners. So, I finally jumped in, mustered the courage, and literally within the first month I was crashing and burning. I mean, I was a wreck, I wasn't sleeping, I was eating too many carbs, gaining weight.

My daughter saw this all happening because she happened to be at home with us at the time. She's 30 years old now but at the time she was competing and working toward getting her IFBB pro body building rating. So, she was home and she said, "Mom, what are you doing?" I said, "Katherine, what does it look like I'm doing doing? I'm studying." She goes, "No, no, you're crashing and burning, you're a hypocrite." "What are you talking about?"

She goes, "Mom, you're supposed to be a role model as a nurse, especially as a nurse practitioner. And you're just a hypocrite." Well, it was like a stake in my heart. I was like, she is right, I've been essentially a fraud my whole life. And so, she said, "I can help." I was like, "Nope, you can't help me. Talk to me in two years, I don't even have time for this conversation."

But honestly Dave, she persisted. She started telling me, "Look eat this protein." Three hours later, "Eat some more protein. Here! Drink this water. Mom, you're going to the gym with me, you can't study 24 hours a day. I'm gonna teach you how to lift weights." Well, two years later, I'm 30 pounds lighter, 12 inches of fat off my waist, and I'm more fit and healthy than ever in my life. I was shocked.

Dave smith: So, you owe a big thank you to your daughter is what I'm hearing.

Mimi: Huge. So, I said I gave birth to her but she really gave birth to my transformation. A late in life, very improbable transformation.

Dave smith: Can you talk about how that was, hearing it from your daughter? Because I know that's an interesting dynamic. You have taught your daughter, she's 30 years, you know, you got so much life experience and she's challenging you. Did you feel like that was a welcome challenge? Was it hard to hear it from her?

Mimi: It was hard to hear 'cause I always thought I'd been a role a model to her and I realized I really wasn't walking my talk. I wasn't, as my stress level went up, I wasn't taking care of myself more I was taking care of myself less.

And by that point, she was already, she had the fire for health and fitness. I mean, obviously you have to have the fire to be a body builder, to have that kind of discipline. So, I think the contrast between what she was committed to and what I was not committed to was dramatic and it really resonated with me.

Why Dreams are NOT Just for Young People

Dave smith: You know what's neat about your story is you talked sort of a two transformations later in life, like in your late 50s. One education wise, you know, going on and pursuing your doctor degree. And then also fitness wise, and you said you're 59 at that time?

Mimi: Yes.

Dave smith: Yeah, which is so perfect. You know, our question today from Beatrice, she references being 58 years old and noticing these changes in her body, not liking the idea of giving up. Can you talk just a little bit about, how did you feel at that stage of life taking on all this newness and all this change, like you said, while your friends are shifting into retired life? Was it exciting, was it scary, how did you feel?

Mimi: It was all the above Dave. I was petrified, I was exhilarated because I decided that I would step up to the plate and really press on with this most, most challenging educational project of my life. And so, it was kind of a mixed bag.

And what I wasn't prepared for was the toll it would take on my body and my mind in terms in my soul, my mind emotionally. I wasn't prepared for that. And that's why I'm so dedicated, my daughter and I now to adopting into our programs other super busy, stressed out, especially healthcare professionals who know they should be healthier but have no idea where to begin. I mean, that's out perfect demographic, that's our perfect client. That individual that knows they should be getting healthier…

Especially older like Beatrice. And sometimes we think, "Gosh, dreams are just for young people." And I really learned that that's not true. If we have the good fortune of waking up in the morning, we can go after our dreams. And that's what I would say to Beatrice, but also, she had a very specific question and that was related to my weight is still not budging, I almost said bulging, bulging too.

She says she feels healthier than she has in years, but her weight is still not budging. Well, what I will say to you Beatrice, is my daughter is writing about right now as we speak, and the title is called, "F the Scale" now, I'm of the generation where I'm not crazy about that word, so thank goodness she's not using the whole word.

But, it is one measure and not a very accurate measure. So, you really shouldn't depend on it. I don't know a woman that feels good about the scale, not a woman. So, Beatrice, I would suggest to you, think about how your clothes are fitting. Think about how you feel, a non-scale victory. How do you feel living a healthier life, how does that feel physically, how does that feel emotionally?

And to know that small changes, they add up. They're not always measured on a scale but they add up. Small consistent changes is what I did over those two years during my doctoral program.

And, you know, what's her big challenge, what's the biggest challenge and what's her biggest goal? The other piece I find missing a lot in a lot of times people's projects, their health projects, they're not fully committed to themselves. So, when the times get tough their wheels fall off 'cause not only do they lack tools and maybe knowledge and new behaviors, but they might lack commitment to themselves.

What "Non-Scale Victories" Should You Look for?

Dave smith: A couple things I want to touch on there. You mentioned non-scale victories. In your own transformation, you said you lost 20 to 30 pounds, 12 inches of fat, or 12 inches around your waist, I imagine this didn't happen very quickly. Can you talk about what were some non-scale victories that kept you going along the way?

Mimi: Well, I have no metabolism. A turtle has more metabolism than I do. At one point, I went six months without the scale moving, and I was on a very healthy diet where I was keeping track of everything I was eating. I was weighing, I was measuring. I was recording.

And so, I would say that we're our own science experiments, and that's where help comes in. Sometimes we have to hire you Dave, or my daughter, or a nutritionist or someone that can help us crack our own metabolism. So, it takes precision and it takes persistence.

Imagine, six months, how many people would tolerate that? I didn't give up, but I'll tell you, I was plenty frustrated. So, those non-scale victories matter. What kept me going is I was able to study better cause I was drinking more water, I was getting a little more sleep, I was eating healthy food, healthy protein, healthy vegetables, keeping track of my carbs.

I mean, I really did study better. There was a huge change. Huge change that initially I didn't notice, but I was at the top of the class when we graduated, I was the student speaker. We didn't have a valedictorian per se but honestly, I beat the young kids to their own game and I swear it was because of my healthy lifestyle.

Dave smith: That's so cool. In terms of those non-scale victories, when you started to have experienced these things such as studying better, sleeping better, did you recognize it right away? Because I know many of the women I work with, these things are happening but they don't recognize it until someone pushes them and says, "Hey did you experience this or is this going on in your life?" Like, was it a natural thing for you or did your daughter point it out or how did you realize that you were changing?

Mimi: You know Dave, I don't think I really ... the changes were so slow for me and I was so stressed, even though I was coping better with the stress that I think it was really the dramatic realization when I graduated that I was in such better shape than when I started. And that really kind of got the fire going in me.

You know, just after I graduated, my daughter said, "Now what? What's your new goal?" And I said, "I don't really know." But she said, "Do you want a new goal." And I said, "Yeah, I want a new goal I want to keep improving." Look, when I did a bicep curl, the first two years that you could hardly see a little bump in my arm. I'm like, honey, I really want more muscle and more definition.

She said, "Well, why don't you set a goal to be in a body building show." I said, "You are hilarious, that is hilarious." I laughed right out of the room. But then I thought to myself, "if she's serious, maybe this is something that's possible." And actually, a year later I was in my first show absolutely petrified. But I came in fifth in the over 40 category which was absolutely unbelievable.

Dave smith: You've gotta share some photos with us if you don't mind. I'd love to put those in this episode so people can see what you look like, would you mind doing that?

Mimi: Absolutely not. I would love to.

Live Another Day, Live a Little Healthier

Dave smith: Okay, that's great. I'll get those from you when we're done recording this episode. Can you talk, a little bit to the audience, there's a big portion of this audience who are in that stage of life where their body, like Beatrice has mentioned here, has changed.

You mentioned having a metabolism slower than that of a turtle. And yet somehow we still need to go forward. And can you talk about that comparing ourselves to our previous, our younger version of ourself and seeing that things are, I'll put it in air quotes, harder. How do we push forward when things are harder?

Mimi: Well, that is a million-dollar question actually because I have run into so many obstacles with my body. When I push myself to lift a little heavier, to just try to improve, often my body backfires on me and I get shoulder pain or hip pain or knee pain or this kind of problem, that kind of problem. So, it is really challenging when you're over 40, over 50, over 60, every decade makes it more challenging.

You have to figure out another way to work around your limitations. There's always another way to work around your limitations. Right now I can barely wait there because of a knee injury from a broken cardio machine at a hotel. So, when people look at me and they see, "Oh, looks like it's easy for you." I just say to them, "do you want to hear about all my orthopedic issues?"

And this is doing everything right. This is guided by experts like my daughter and people like you. I have my own competition coach that's super expert and helps guide me. Despite the best technique I can follow, I still get injured, I still have issues, but guess what? It sure is better than not waking up in the morning.

So, I'll do anything I can do to work with my body to live another day, live another day a little healthier and to inspire and guide others. I'll do anything I can.

Dave smith: You know what's really inspiring about that specific message right there is the idea of flexibility. So, quite often we get into a routine, and this is my quote, unquote exercise routine, this is my quote unquote healthy eating routine. And then if something were to throw that routine off, it's easy to start to go into a downward spiral and get completely out of routine.

You mentioned a perfect example, you get injured on that broken piece of cardio equipment. Does that mean therefore you can't do exercise or your routine is thrown out the window until you recover? No, it sounds like you've been very, very adaptable.

Mimi: Well, not easily. I can't even tell yeah how frustrated I was when I wasn't even able to weight bare the next day after that knee injury. I mean, frustrated. I was one month away from my second body building show and I couldn't weight bare, are you kidding?

So, it was rough. But I've learned through utilizing a lot of resources, there's always something that you can do. For example, and you know this 'cause you're a trainer, a trainer of trainers. I super set almost all the time now. I do not do 30 second rest very often at all unless I really need it.

I'll just go, like this morning, biceps, triceps, biceps, triceps, and I change the type of exercise I do all the time because our bodies adapt and we lack progress if we keep doing the exact same routine of exercises all the time. My coach is always reminding me of that. Catherine's always reminding me of that.

Why Your Thoughts Hold Your Body Back

Dave smith: You're preaching to the choir, A, I love super sets and circuits, and B, the idea of periodization changing your workout is so key. Can you talk about other common mistakes that the women or the people that you've worked with that they do wrong that you'd say holds them back from experiencing some of the success that you've experienced?

Mimi: Well, I do think that we hold ourselves back in our minds. So, that whole problem with being fixated on the scale and weight loss is really problematic. And also, throwing in the towel when we feel like we've been a failure.

So, we work really hard, my daughter and I, to help clients we work with. To see the positive victories, the non-scale victories and how they're changing their lives. And the most important victory that often is not reflected on the scale is the mindset hurdles that we make. How we improve out outlook on ourselves, on our lives.

That's going to make a big difference, how we work through the gremlins, I call them, you know, the excuses that we come up with. 9999 excuses will pop up. You know, that five second rule, how long does it take from when you decide to make a healthy intention like go to the gym or eat healthy, whatever.

So, you're mind starts talking you out of it. Five seconds. I mean, you have to be committed to yourself, it's way beyond discipline. You have to say, I'm that important that when I start hearing these ridiculous excuses my mind's gonna give me, I'm gonna move forward with that healthy intention anyway. It's not easy but we, especially women and busy, super busy often tired, exhausted, drawn in millions of directions, we don't look at ourselves first. We don't honor and respect ourselves enough to kind of get through those tough times.

So, I would say to my audience even, you can't surf from an empty vessel. If you try you will be angry, frustrated, resentful and there's nothing worse than trying to give when you feel that way. Why not fill your vessel up? Meet your needs as quickly as you can, I'm a big fan of that, that's why I like super setting and circuits, and hit. Meet your needs as quickly as you can and then move on with your day.

Dave smith: Can you be a little more specific with meet your needs? What would that look like?

Mimi: So, you know, here's what happens in our lives, we start getting more and more stressed and we tend to neglect ourselves, increasingly as our stress level goes up. But what if it was the opposite?

We recognize, "Oh, my gosh. I'm getting really stressed out. I need to listen to some classical music. I need to eat healthier rather than eating ice cream and French fries. I need to meditate maybe for three minutes or do a seven-minute New York Times [inaudible 00:18:27] workout." Instead of neglecting ourselves, ramping up our self-care.

So, I have a saying that if we have extreme stress, that requires extreme self-care, meaning more self-care than we would normally give ourselves. A little more sleep, it's the best aphrodisiac in the world. You want to improve your sex life? Go to sleep a little bit earlier. And you're also gonna generally improve your whole life outlook.

Dave smith: Again, I could not agree more. It's funny that you say that actually. I have a busy week, I'm about to go attend a conference and do some speaking. And last night I had intended to go for a swimming workout and it was about 9:15 and I could tell I was just beat.

And so, I went to bed at about 9:45 and skipped my workout. And while that's not a practice that I want to do every single day, getting that sleep, that was the self-care that I needed. So, I 100 percent echo your advice.

Mimi: So, that Dave, means you know yourself well 'cause sometimes it's an excuse that we have. Oh, I need my eight hours of sleep. You know, sometimes that is what we need, other times it's an excuse. So, knowing ourselves, really knowing ourselves is key. And that's what you've come to reach at a point in your life, but that's what you have to teach your clients, right?

It's Time to Build Your Network of Support and Accountability

Dave smith: Mm-hmm (affirmative) exactly. You know, throughout this interview, you've mentioned a number of times, you referenced back to your daughter and the important role that she played in helping you know yourself and see yourself and see your life and kind of start to ask those questions and feel a little bit inspired.

Can you talk about the role of that other person, whoever it is, daughter, spouse, friend, sister or brother, whoever it is, the role that they play in that process. And then also, what does someone do if they actually feel like they're doing this all alone?

Mimi: Well, this is a really important question for you to ask me Dave because we all need a network of support and accountability. We need both, we need the support to get and give, we need accountability to keep our feet to the fire, and we don't always get that from loved ones.

So, I have a husband who doesn't have to worry about his weight. He can eat anything he wants and he just has really fast metabolism. And for years I tried to eat like he did. And I just couldn't figure it out. I fooled myself, it was another excuse I used. Oh, well you know, he can eat this food. And I would delude myself that I could too. And then I'd go on weight loss programs and then I'd come off the weight loss program and I'd eat like he would eat and gain it back again.

So, again it comes down to creating your own network of support. And when you start creating healthy lifestyle habits, then you meet other like minded people like at the gym or at the fitness classes you may be taking or the YMCA if you're going swimming or even in a grocery store in the produce section where you should be spending more of your time than in the center portion where all the processed foods are.

But honestly, you want to hang out with people that are like minded. And people, even loved ones, can be triggers. You know, we have trigger food, trigger people, trigger settings. And the trigger people can be really hard to deal with. I don't like going out to eat when I'm in prep mode with people I know are gonna load up on French fries and onion rings and yummy things that I'm currently not eating.

Dave smith: I love that. I loved your suggestion that once we start doing activities that lead to a healthy lifestyle will naturally grow that circle. Taking that step though, if you're someone that isn't quote, unquote, isn't a gym person, the idea of, well, I'm gonna go to the gym and I'm gonna make community there and therefor it's gonna be easier for me to go to the gym. That's still a scary thought.

Mimi: It is, it is. Especially for older women, my demographic, talk about feeling weird when I first went to the gym, I mean weird. You know, I'm Catherine's mother, Catherine's a body builder, my daughter, nicknamed Cat. And here I am at the gym with her surrounded by people that are muscular and young and I'm just like feeling so frumpy.

So, I get it. It is not easy. But that's where a trainer can come in. If you hire a trainer, they'll help demystify that gym for you. A lot of women they just go boom, right to the aerobics room. They go right to classes and they just skip the machines and the weights, which is a huge problem. We need to lift weights for our health, for our mental health, for our physical health, for our muscles, for our bones.

If you don't want to suffer from inevitable decline of aging you better get going. And we start losing muscle and bone at the ripe old age of 30. So, we gotta get cracking, especially women. It seems like men are a little bit better, a little more kind of okay with going to the gym, older and maybe not perfect body, body weight. But women it's tough, it's very hard.

So, get yourself a buddy. And you know, if you don't go to the gym you can find a walking friend or somebody to workout with. Somebody to workout with, but that can be an excuse too. What if that somebody doesn't want to do whatever it is that you've been doing together, are you gonna go on your own? Again, self-commitment that's where self-commitment comes in.

Dave smith: I completely agree. I see that a lot in spouses is they become ... originally, the intention is for them to be accountability buddies but they quickly become enablers. Oh, you're tired tonight, I don't want to go to the gym either, let's just stay home.

That can start a downward spiral. So, I'm not saying this as a hard and fast rule, but sometimes it's helpful to go outside of that immediate family and look for that accountability buddy. Someone who maybe will actually hold you a little bit more accountable.

Mimi: Oh, totally. And trainers will do that. Just make an appointment, I'm a big schedule everything you want to get accomplished in your life person. And I thought that but now I'm a huge fan. And my husband and I, we have things we like to do together for activities. But going to the gym's not one of them.

Dave smith: He's not a gym goer?

Mimi: He goes. He lifts weights usually about once a week with the trainer, and I'm pretty much there a part of everyday unless it happens to be one of my days not to lift depending upon the schedule of lifting I'm doing.

Gym Time: Lift Weights As You Age?

Dave smith: Can you talk a little bit about the momentum that you built in that? So, you're going to the gym a lot, you're lifting a lot of weights. Originally, it was scary, it was hard, would you say to Beatrice and anyone else who's listening who thinks that sounds daunting, do you feel momentum, does it feel easier now, or do you feel like you're always battling?

Mimi: Oh, no. I think it's' a lot easier now. Actually, I think I was pretty clueless about what exercises worked what muscles for probably a year and a half. My daughter, she's so Socratic, she would say, "Now mom, we're doing this exercise, a pull down. I won't even [inaudible 00:25:20]. What muscles are we using?"

I'd get so intimidated and nervous I wouldn't even know. It was my lats into my back. I mean, it just seems so logical when you know, but I would say everything's hard until it's easy. So, I think I have kind of a breakthrough about a year and a half into working with her and working with trainers when she wasn't around.

But yeah, you just gotta be willing to muddle through it. And we tend to muddle less as we get older. We stick with what we stick with, we like what we like, we don't like what we don't like. And we have to remind ourselves that that's a huge limitation. When you're young you're open to everything. One of the keys to healthy aging, I believe, is keeping your mind and your body open to new opportunities.

And this is a new opportunity that could just add years to your life and quality of life. My back has never been so good. It started getting better after a lifetime a career long problem with my back, almost immediately when I started lifting weights. It was like a magic wand.

Dave smith: That's an important message, the quality of life 'cause we referenced 50s or 60s as being older, we said that a number of times throughout this interview. But the reality is for many people, they have a long life to go. At 58, you know, Beatrice at 58, you could easily have 30 plus years left. So-

Mimi: Heck yeah.

Dave smith: What is the quality? Yes the scale maybe is a metric that seems important to you, but what are some of those other measuring points that give you that improved quality of life?

Mimi: And as we get older, one of those metrics is how well we can walk, how is our balance. You notice so many people that are over 50, especially women in airports that are in walking casts because they twisted and broke their ankles.

Balance also suffers when you don't lift weights and you don't exercise like doing yoga and pilates. Balance starts to take a hit too after the age of 30. If you start losing muscle and joint coordination, then it's gonna be logical that you're more likely to fall as you get older. So, another key to not succumbing to old age is don't fall. If you don't fall and break a hip then you're not gonna have that 25 percent chance of dying from that fracture. So balance is so much of our health.

Dave smith: You know, but that's ... I agree with you, it's just, it's not a sexy thing. Hey, let's go to the gym and work on our balance, most people get really excited, let's go to the gym and lose 10 pounds or 20 pounds, the balance piece though, that actually is gonna provide so much better quality of life and avoiding those injuries that can shorten your life or detract from the quality of our life.

Mimi: Oh, yes, and it happens kind of magically as we lift weights. And I didn't know. I had no idea, but I did break my ankle in 2012 before I started lifting weights. And now I look and I think, "God, I hope physical therapy and rehab are telling people to lift weights as protection against balance issues in the future."

​Make Your Body Work Takeaway

Dave smith: Well and I know and the listeners who listen to the Make Your Body Work podcast are very familiar with that message. Many of my guests suggest that and that idea of going to the gym and going to the elliptical trainer for an hour and then going home were dispelling that has an effective way to pursue exercise and pursue longevity of life.

So, I'm glad that you reinforced that. You know, Mimi, in this conversation we've gone down many different roads. I like to leave the listeners with something called the Make Your Body Work takeaway, and that's a starting place because we've talked on mindset, we talked on the idea of taking on new challenges, we've talked on getting buddies, we've talked about different types of exercise. But for someone maybe like Beatrice who needs a starting place where they can begin today, what is that piece of advice that you'd give to them?

Mimi: I will say just push the easy button. Pick something simple. If you're not drinking enough water, fill a water glass the night before you go to bed, put it next to your toothbrush or next to the kitchen sink and drink it first thing in the morning. And that might kind of get you geared up for drinking more water all day long.

Set the timer to go to bed a little bit earlier than normal and see how your body feels. And remember that the smallest changes can make huge differences in our health over time. So, I also would really suggest that, we don't need hours, we don't need hours. We can do a lot, there's so much literature out there now that short workouts are beneficial.

So, there's no excuse for waiting 'til January 1st, there's every reason to start making changes right now. You're listening to this program, start making changes right now. Go hula hoop, go jump rope, run around the house. Do something for yourself and then you can say, "I feel better."

Dave smith: I could not agree more. I hope that there's dozens of listeners who are gonna go grab their hula hoop and hula hoop right now. That would be amazing.

Mimi: I can't even tell you how much fun that is. I hadn't hula hoped in ages and then I started a few years ago and it is a great workout. And it helps your waist, it's so much fun.

​Connect With Mimi

Dave smith: I'll take your word for it. Admittedly, I was never god at the hula hoop, but I believe you. Mimi, I know that there's gonna be many of our listeners who would like to learn more about the services that you offer, the resources you provide and perhaps connect with you personally. How can they do that?

Mimi: Well, I am very proud Dave, to say that I have an app. And you don't go to the app store to get. You just, as though you were texting a friend, you text the message "DrMimi" D-R-M-I-M-I, upper, lower case doesn't matter, no punctuation just like one word to the number 36260. So, that's text the message DrMimi to 36260.

That will take them to everything, my social media, my website, we also, my daughter and I have a website called Coach Kat and doctor Mimi, all one word. Coach C-A-T and doctor Mimi, and written out, .com. And that's where we share about the programs that we're offering.

And we even offer for people that are really dedicated and ready to change their lives, free 15 minutes phone calls, coaching calls to throw them a lifeline and see if we can't help people to get some momentum to move forward with their health and fitness.

Dave smith: Oh, that's amazing, that's so generous of you. You know, for the listeners, if you go to MakeYourBodyWork.com/117 I'll have all those resources that doctor Mimi just mentioned and then you can very easily connect with her, connect with her daughter Cat, and hopefully hop on one of those calls and get some help.

Mimi: Absolutely.

Dave smith: Mimi, it's been a pleasure chatting with you, thanks for taking the time to be here with us. We really appreciate your expertise and for you sharing your story and your inspiration with us.

Mimi: Thank you Dave Smith. It was an awesome honor and privilege to be on this podcast with you today and keep up the great work that you're doing too. I'm very inspired by your work and by you.

Dave smith: Thanks again doctor Mimi for joining us on this show and for sharing a little bit of your life story and so much inspiration for myself and for all the listeners. And for the listeners, thanks for tuning in. As we always talk about, at the end of one of these episodes, it's really important that we leave with an action step.

This isn't intended to be just like another learning opportunity or something that just kind of seems interesting but we're all about application. And so, my question, my challenge to you is, what are you gonna apply? What's that one little nugget of truth that you heard in Mimi's story that applies to your life? How are you gonna take action on that?

And if you want to go back and review the shows, see the resources that we talked about, I'm gonna add a bunch of other resources that are lined with the themes of this conversation that we had today. You can check that all out at MakeYourBodyWork.com/117.

And if you have any questions for future episodes of this show, I'd love to hear from you, I'd love to personally help you out, to get a guest on the show or to connect you with someone who can help you through any of the barriers or any of the struggles that you're going through in life right now.

So, you can reach out to me anytime, it's Dave at makeyourbodywork.com. So, thanks again for tuning in today and I'll see you again in the next episode of the Make Your Body Work podcast.

Thanks for joining me today!